Part I here.
When Kuderer and I arrived at his front door, I have to say that Bishop Miller did not look happy to see me. He was polite, and he shook my hand, but he was clearly not psyched about having some stranger show up with a bunch of questions about the Amish educational system. He was a big guy, kind of Santa-like, with a long white beard, glasses, a blue shirt and suspenders, and no hat. What’s up with the no hats, I wondered? Can’t I talk to someone with a hat? We talked in the foyer of his big white house for close to an hour, and although there were several chairs available, one of which he sat in, we were not invited to sit in them. The conversation was really odd, because Kuderer asked most of the questions, and even when I interjected one here and there, he would mostly address her and not me. So most of the time I was basically standing in the corner feeling like a potted plant and wondering if my back was going to crack in half from being on my feet for so long.
We started with some small talk about family. Miller, it turns out, has sixteen kids, 125 grandchildren, and over 100 great-grandchildren, almost all of whom live right near him. I mentioned that I have one son, and he shot me a look like I was the most pathetic person on the planet. Kuderer then brought up the Yoder case, and Miller remembered it. “It was their lemon,” he said of the New Glarus Amish. He remembered going down to New Glarus to help them build their first Amish schools, and he recalls being interested in how the case was going to turn out, but he didn’t think it had been all that big a deal. The authorities somehow never bothered them in Cashton, allowing them to have their own schools and not forcing them to send their kids past eighth grade. He explained some interesting stuff about the Amish schools in Cashton. They teach mostly reading and geography, with very little science. They teach in English, even though they speak German at home and preach in German as well. If they have special needs kids, they deal with the kids themselves, without getting any money from the state, which makes them very different from the Jews in Kiryas Joel.
Kuderer asked Miller if any kids ever ask to go to high school, and he said no. She followed up by asking what would happen if someone did want to go to school after eighth grade, and he said that such a thing has never happened. I brought up the oceanographer thing, and this brought what seemed like a sort of knowing smile to his face. He didn’t really respond much. “He was looking at it the way a lot of people would,” he said. “The way you’re brought up pulls back on you. You can change, but . . .” Clearly he was not much interested in defending his community’s educational system to an outsider like me. Though I was disappointed, I can’t say I was surprised. I wouldn’t have wanted to justify my educational philosophy to an intruder either.
Kuderer quickly steered us off the uncomfortable topic by bringing up a local zoning controversy that affected both of them, and they commiserated over the government’s attempt to regulate their businesses. This gave me an opening to ask about the Amish’s involvement with policymaking and law generally, and Bishop Miller said that his community has from time to time become involved in various public issues by speaking at meetings and whatnot. That was kind of interesting, I thought. I asked whether he would be willing to fight a burdensome regulation in the judicial system, or whether he would just submit to the regulation or move, and he said that while it’s true that the Amish “don’t like the lawyers,” the public usually takes over to help the community. He doubted very much, for example, that a policeman would come and take him away for breaking a zoning law. This was probably true, and it goes to show that things have come a long way from the days when Adin Yutzy had to worry about going to jail for not paying his fines.
We ended by visiting Miller’s woodworking shop for a few minutes, where Kuderer picked up some really snazzy bread boards to sell in her gift shop (I bought one). It was a wild place, with all sorts of crazy looking machines everywhere, all apparently powered by a complicated pulley system driven by oil or gas or something (I couldn’t really follow the explanation). A license plate on the wall with a picture of a horse and buggy on it read, “My Hobby is Driving Me Buggy.” A well-worn Bible sat on a workbench next to an ancient Putnam Fadeless Dyes box. Miller showed us some wooden toys he had made for sale; they were car-carrying trucks, which seemed like a really funny thing for an Amish guy to make.